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I also fail to see how a chaos influenced imperium would spare the lives of xenos or for that matter any kind of free speech at all. they would spend their lives in eternal pain. seriously? instead of mindless drones the ordinary humans would be insane manifestations of the warp. But Horus is percieved as being nicer because he was the politician, the Emperor did not feel he had to earn the respect of his sons, here as Horus had to fight for it, so who is to say that the moment Horus won the imperium he would have done it any differently?Īlso, no matter how bad the imperium was in terms of human rights. Horus and the Emperor were playing very different roles, the Emperor was the ruler, what he said goes. The thing is, just because the Emperor had an absolute morality policy as opposed to the relative morality of deciding whether xenos were harmful or not, this does not mean that Horus would have done it better. I personally am unkowing pledging my soul to choas for the greater good of mankind :spiteful: So i suppose my question is, does anyone agree and if in the postion of a space marine during the time of the heresy would u defect or be loyal ? I am now starting to believe that horus is infact the hero and the imperium must be stopped at all costs before it destroys the whole galaxy and makes everyone in it a compliant drone. On the flip side of the coin Solomen Demeter(The Honourable sevent of the emperor) is of the opinion that these worlds should be subject to the same fate as the rest of the alien worlds that the imperium has destroyed.įinally i come to my point. Fulgrim opted to spare these planets because of their beauty, and i thought finally a spacemarine with some sense of diplomacy(however Fulgrim is already infected by choas at this time without knowing it). This argument solidified itself when Fulgrim and his captains transitioned into the perdus system and discovered the paradise planets which the Eldar held dominion over. It seems to me that the imperium of man is an entirley tyrannical empire, With its staunch rules and brainwashed superhuman soldiers that truly believe that anything that is even remotely xeno's must die immediatley whether they are dangerous or not, basically if your not human or atleast humanoid your getting a kicking.
#Warhammer 40k erebus series#
Unfortunately for the galaxy and for Lorgar, Chaos is a lot less benevolent than the God of Abraham, but it is hard to fault him for obedience.Iv currently just finished the 5th novel in the HH series "Fulgrim" and am currently getting really immersed in the pre heresy story, although i am now starting to wonder whether or not i am interpreting the story correctly as at times i find my self intensly disliking the imperial cause. Rather than sacrificing himself, or standing up to God and not sacrificing his son(s), Lorgar acts like th child he in many ways is. Have you ever read the Hyperion Cantos? If you have, I think Lorgar's position is similar to Sol Weintraub's, but he makes the wrong choice. The flaw in that, I think, is not that he does that it's that he continues when he ought be aware that what he is doing is morally wrong, and that the gods he seeks are not worthy of worship. Lorgar is willing to sacrifice his sons, sacrifice anyone, in order to make sure that he knows the truth, that everyone knows the truth and their place. Some identify his drive as a need to be right it seems to me to instead be a need to submit, a need for guidance, a need for absolution of responsibility.
#Warhammer 40k erebus full#
Not just a powerful father, but someone to whom humanity can turn for protection and guidance in a bleak, dark universe full of horrors.
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The Emperor-as-Man, who set up the laws against worship, is not who Lorgar wants to honor he wants to honor the ideal of someone beyond him and beyond all of humanity. I'm an atheist myself, and I understand the fear and dread of the world being meaningless, and the temptation to follow something you know to be wrong, or in Lorgar's case, abhorrent, if only to have something to follow. He's convinced that there has to be something more to the universe, something greater than himself, to give it meaning, and before he finds Chaos, has found nothing that would fulfill that role except the Emperor. I think the reason Lorgar is more sympathetic to me, even with his obsessive nature, is that I understand the impulses by which he is driven. You are correct that this is all subjective, but I'll still bite.